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QuestionMy mother always said that her mother used to say to her - "Do not end a sentence with a preposition". My mother would then add - "This is something, up with which I will not put"!

It seems a lot of the media do follow this rule very closely. Do you have any comments?

PS - Have had a brief look at some of the stuff at your site and I will certainly bookmark it - and tell my mum to do the same; as soon as I can show her how to run Netscape!

Source & Date
of Question
Brisbane, Australia
30 April 1997
Grammar's
Response
I think your mum's quote is something that has also been attributed to Winston Churchill, but I don't know if there's any truth to that. An even better example is this, if you can imagine a child saying to his/her parent, "What did you bring that book that I don't like to be read to out of up for?" (from University of Texas's grammar page)

If you're as conscious as your grandmum would have you be about such matters, then you're probably going to look carefully at sentences that end in prepositions. If the sentence sounds better by avoiding that structure, then make the change; otherwise, leave it alone. Most historians of the language seem to agree, nowadays, that there's no compelling reason that a sentence can't end in a preposition and that, until late in the nineteenth century, no one paid much attention to the matter. Still, it is one thing that people who know a little about grammar can spot a mile away, so I would certainly avoid it on memos to the boss, job application letters, etc.


QuestionCan you give me a example of an introductory adverb clause?

Thank you.

Source & Date
of Question
West Palm Beach, Florida
30 April 1997
Grammar's
Response
No problem. An adverb clause is probably going to modify the verb of your independent clause. In other words, it's going to say when, or where, or under what conditions, this thing happened. For instance: After the movies, we'll drive to Buffalo. Where very few had succeeded before, John did extremely well. If you are careful, this shouldn't take long.

Notice that when I begin a sentence with an adverb clause, I put a comma after it. (If the adverb clause comes later in the sentence, I'll have to determine if the clause is essential to the meaning of the sentence or not before I'll know whether to set it off with a comma.)


Question
  • 1a. "Your City/State/Country (if other than U.S.A.)" atrocious grammar. The binding of the virgule is not understood to be tighter or looser than that of the parentheses. So, are you requesting the information (City, State, and Country) only from those outside the U.S.A, or are you requesting City and State from everyone, and Country from those not in the U.S.A.? (Or is that U.S.A?)
  • 1b. The virgule is most commonly used to indicate "or." Aren't you interested in collecting more than just one of City, State, and Country? Of course, if I answered with NYC only, you might make a very good guess on all three.
  • 2. When the word "eighteen" must be split over two lines (which begs the question of whether a word must ever be split), should the "t" be doubled? That is, should it appear as "eight-
    teen"?
  • 3. Similarly, when the word "naïve" is split, should the diaeresis be removed, giving "na-
    ive"?
Source & Date
of Question
New York, New York
30 April 1997
Grammar's
Response
Thank you very much for pointing out that nonsensical city/state/country business. I'll fix it as soon as I can.

Your other questions. . . Your instincts about not breaking either word are probably best. Avoid the problem. You can't add another "t" to eighteen, so I think you'd have to break eighteen after the "t." As for naive, you're probably the last person in these parts to use a diaeresis in the spelling of that word anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it. Besides, the hyphen (if you did break the word, at na-ive) would mean pretty much the same thing as the diaeresis is supposed to mean anyway (that these two vowels are meant to be read and spoken separately).

Thanks again.


QuestionI would like a definitive guide to the use of i.e. (that is to say) versus the use of e.g. (for example).
Source & Date
of Question
Falls Church, Virginia
30 April 1997
Grammar's
Response
He was about six feet tall (i.e., about two meters). The students from our high school excelled in the life sciences (e.g., botany, biology, and zoology).

However, it would be a good idea not to use these abbreviations at all except in source citations and within parentheses. Even within parenthetical comments, most writers nowadays will use the English translations of these abbreviations.

Authority: The Little, Brown Handbook by H. Ramsay Fowler and Jane E. Aaron, & Kay Limburg. 6th ed. HarperCollins: New York. 1995. By permission of Addison-Wesley Educational Publishers Inc.


QuestionI am a teaching assistant in a Religious Ethics class at the University of Virginia. Several students have turned in papers to me that use periods at the end of rhetorical questions. For example: "What is the use of a punishment that does not deter others from committing the same crime." I corrected those sentences by changing the period to a question mark. One student told me that he was taught to use a period to end a rhetorical question. Is this, indeed, current grammar pedagogy?
Source & Date
of Question
Charlottesville, Virginia
1 May 1997
Grammar's
Response
Either he's putting you on or he's confusing a rhetorical question with something called an indirect question. (The teacher asked what we were doing. My teacher asked why we used a period instead of a question mark.)

There is also something called the polite question. "When a polite request is phrased as a question, using a period emphasizes the request: Would you please send me a copy. Using a question mark emphasizes the politness: Would you please send me a copy?" Frankly, the distinction is lost on me.

But I can't imagine why someone would end a rhetorical question with a period.

(The quoted material on polite questions comes from Quick Access: Reference for Writers by Lynn Quitman Troyka. Simon & Schuster: New York. 1995.)


Questionwhat does this mean ... what is the literary term for it, have it on the tip of my tongue but can't remember it. thanks.
Source & Date
of Question
Chicago, Illinois
1 May 1997
Grammar's
Response
It's not exactly a literary term, but it's often used when we're talking about literature, this ellipsis (plural: ellipses). It's used to indicate that something has been left out of your text (frequently out of a quotation). It's made up of three evenly spaced dots (periods). Most word-processors have something like an OPT-semicolon or CNTRL-semicolon to create the ellipsis; otherwise, some weird things can happen to the spacing with automatic line-breaks or justified margins. When your ellipsis appears at the end of a sentence, use a period to end the thought and then add the ellipsis -- for a total of four dots.

It is also used to indicate a pause in one's thought . . . sometimes.


QuestionPlease tell me which of the following is correct:
  1. I would be surprised if most people knew what a pterodactyl was.
  2. I would be surprised if most people knew what a pterodactyl were.
I seem to remember a rule concerning the use of "if" and "were", as in "If I were a rich man". Example 2 doesn't look quite right, however. Please advise.
Source & Date
of Question
Wimbledon, London, England
2 May 1997
Grammar's
Response
The subjunctive mood, if you're going to use it in this sentence, would apply only to the verb in the first dependent clause. And since you're using the past tense and not a form of the verb to be, you're not going to change the form of the verb knew. The if, however, has no effect on the final verb in this sentence because that verb belongs to another dependent clause: what a pterodactyl was. (Thus you would not use were in that clause.)

If you want to see the were in the sentence (just for the fun of it?), you could write the following: "I would be surprised if he were knowledgeable about pterodactyls."


QuestionYour response to a question about pronouns (using "I" vs "me") has raised a new question of my own. Back in the mists of time, I was taught that it is proper to say: "It is I", as opposed to: "It is me". Technically, I would have thought the second is correct, but it's not...is it? (P.S. Is the example also applicable in the third person?)
Source & Date
of Question
Wimbledon, London, England
2 May 1997
Grammar's
Response
In casual speech and writing, most people don't get too excited when they hear or read "It's me." That's how the French say it. King Louis didn't say, "L'état, c'est je," after all. But this isn't French, and in formal English, one would write "It is I." It would be the same in the third person, of course: "It is he." Many thoughtful writers pooh-pooh this, by the way, and say that there is no reason why you can't write "It is me," arguing that the is is not an equal sign that demands the subject form on each side of the equation. That's not exactly a final word on the matter, is it? That's how it is with something like language that evolves over time.

QuestionWhen using parentheses at the end of a sentence, should the period be placed inside of the parentheses, or outside?
Source & Date
of Question
Atlanta, Georgia
2 May 1997
Grammar's
Response
outside

QuestionI love your web page! I have two questions for you. Why do I often see newspapers and magazines use single quotation marks around titles and words? I was always taught that the only place to use single quotation marks is within another quotation.

Secondly, is it true that when using pronouns one should always be referring to the noun that directly precedes it? Sometimes I feel as if I am repeating my noun too many times when I use this method, and I would rather use a pronoun to give the sentences some variety. For example, if a writer is writing a story about one person named John, couldn't the writer refer to John as "him" or "he" later on in the story without re-stating John's name? Does this situation create a dangling modifier? Thank you very much. I will be waiting for your response.

Source & Date
of Question
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
2 May 1997
Grammar's
Response
Generally, you're right about the single quote marks; you'll use them only to set off quoted language inside quotations. Newspapers and magazines work on different wavelengths than the rest of us, though. Sometimes this is simply because they need the space -- as in headlines or captions. Other times, well. . . who knows. I recommend you check out the web page of Bill Walsh, Copy Editor for the Washington Post, on punctuation.

Pronouns do not have to refer directly to the noun immediately preceding it. That goes against the grain of recycling, doesn't it? The only hard and fast rule here is that it must always be quite clear to whom or what the pronoun does refer. If the antecedent of the pronouns are clear, then use away! (But it doesn't hurt to bring in John's name from time to time to remind your readers whom you're talking about.) Again, this rule may be different in newspaper writing, where the need to avoid possible ambiguity becomes obsessive

A proliferation of pronouns doesn't necessarily create dangling modifiers. That term refers to the situation in which a writer creates a modifier and then doesn't give the modifier the thing it needs to modify. "Getting our news strictly from television, a poor understanding of national events is inevitable." The poor understanding doesn't get our news strictly from television. We do. Thus, the modifier (a participial phrase in this case) "dangles" at the beginning of the sentence. Rewrite it this way: "Getting our news strictly from television, we inevitably have a poor understanding of national events."


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